| Alabama DMV Link Tom
Davis Robert: I registered my cobra in Alabama as a 65 by going to the probate judge and showing him that all mechanics were of 65 vintage. He agreed that as a replica it met thesame as a 65 and could not pass emisssion of this year Not only did I get registered, I also got a vintage tag good luck Arizona DMV Link 2/28/07 Air Plan ActionsArizona's Vehicle Emissions Inspection Programs On December 12, 2006, EPA proposed to approve several changes made to Arizona's Basic and Enhanced Vehicle Emissions Inspection (VEI) programs since revisions to the programs were last approved by EPA in 2003. Arizona's Basic VEI program is in effect in the Tucson carbon monoxide (CO) maintenance area. It was included as a control measure in Tucson's maintenance plan for CO. The Enhanced VEI program had been in effect in the Phoenix ozone and carbon monoxide nonattainment areas, and is helping Phoenix attain and maintain the national air quality standards for CO and ozone. The approved program changes include: " an exemption from the enhanced VEI program for collectible vehicles in the Phoenix area, and " an exemption from the basic VEI program for collectible vehicles and motorcycles in the Tucson area. EPA also approved the enhanced VEI program in Phoenix as meeting EPA's enhanced inspection and maintenance program requirements. The Arizona VEI programs approved by EPA in 1995 exempt several categories of vehicles from the emissions testing requirements. Such vehicle categories included, among others, vehicles manufactured in or before the 1966 model year and vehicles being sold between motor vehicle dealers. See 60 FR 22518, 22521 (May 8, 1995). In 2003, we approved revisions to the VEI programs including an exemption for the first five model year vehicles on a rolling basis. See 68 FR 2912 (January 22, 2003). The SIP revision we are acting on today would establish additional vehicle categories that would be exempt from emissions testing requirements: collectible vehicles in the Phoenix and Tucson areas and motorcycles in the Tucson area. Based on data for calendar year 2003, collectible vehicles make up 0.5 percent of the fleet of vehicles subject to VEI in the Phoenix area, and collectible vehicles and motorcycles together make up 2.1 percent of the subject fleet in the Tucson area. See Table 1 below. 4/2005 1/14/2007 You should be aware that the information given in several quotes about registering kit cars in Arizona are in fact wrong. I am referring to the price of the license plates, i.e. $23-. Although the DMV person may make the mistake of believing that the car is a 1965 for example, you should be aware that there are two different people involved in the assignment of a serial number and registration and that they do not speak to one another. What it comes down to is that you are committing tax fraud when you are asked the question "What year is the car?" by the registrar. Truthfully it is 2007 if it is this year. Then they ask what it cost , if it is $40K then the plate fee is about $700- per year on a depreciating scale. If it is $80K like a SuperFormance or Shelby , the fee is $1,400-. Paying $23- because the person does not question whether the car is new and of recent manufacture is pretty risky considering the hot water you can get into like having the title cancelled , huge penalties and potential jail time.... Stephen Mulvey JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? jay jennings Arkansas will 1965 roadster Jay Jennings From:Taylor Ar. CA does not allow you to license as a 65'. SB100 is a law that just went into effect Jan. 2002 that allows 500 "specially constructed" vehicles to go through "initial" registration in a calendar year. The owner picks either the year of the engine or the style of the body for the year of smog exemption. The car is then registered as a 2002 SPCN with a 65 smog exemption. One word in the bill that keeps already registered replicas in CA from using this bill is "initial" registration. However, we do have a great Senator that has a replica Cobra that is now lobbying a new bill that removes the word "initial". I am really not sure how your car would be affected coming into CA with a 1998 registration from another state. Do you still have smog equimpent on it? If so you may pass smog and be just fine. You may want to call the DMV and quiz them on it. Or call Senator Johannessen's office as they may be able to answer your question. The CA.GOV web site listed his phone number as (916) 445-3353. You can also search the DMV web site at www.dmv.ca.gov Registered mine in CA last April under the new bill. What follows is the process I went through:
You must make appointments with the CHP and the BAR. Both the CHP and the BAR inspections were free. I'm sure it makes a difference on where you get the inspections. Both theCHP and BAR had done several before I showed up. They knew exactly what to do and were aware of the new law. Good luck, San Rafael Mike 1//4/07 California Hot Rods: Working with SEMA, California published an alternate process to emissions-test certain hot rods beyond the S.B. 100 exemption enacted several years ago. This process involves certifying the vehicle to its engine configuration. Under California policy, the emissions controls of specially constructed vehicles are determined by one of two separate processes; (1) based on what the vehicle body or engine most resembles or (2) model year or configuration of the engine installed. In the first case, a smog-test referee compares the vehicle to those of the era that the vehicle most closely resembles to determine its model year. The vehicle?s owner can then choose whether the inspector will certify the vehicle per the year of the body or the engine. If there is no close resemblance, the vehicle is classified as a 1960 model year. This program is limited to the first 500 applications for registrations of specially constructed vehicles submitted to DMV each year that meet the criteria. In the second case, the only emissions controls required are those used when the engine was originally manufactured. If a configuration precedes 1966, no exhaust emissions controls would be required. If the configuration precedes 1961, no PCV system would be required. If a range of model years applies to any particular engine configuration, vehicle owners have the option to select the model year of emissions controls to be used. New and rebuilt crate engines fall into this ?range of model years? category. CANADA Official Information for importing a CAR: http://www.riv.ca/english/US_vehicle_admissibility.pdf Ontario Registration (Canadian Rodder article) Does my Cobra have to pass an emissions test before I can register it? Drive Clean Program - Ontario Exciting news regarding "kit cars" in general, and Cobra replicas, in specific, and how they relate to Ontario's emissions laws and Drive Clean Program.... On August 30th 2001, Ontario's Minister of the Environment announced, among other things, that "kit cars" will become exempt from Drive Clean regulations. The offical communique, which can be found at.... Witmer Announces Drive Clean Expansion ...has a very non-descript statement, that says, "The minister also announced that, effective January 1, 2002: The approximately 500 "kit" cars registered in the province will be exempt from Drive Clean testing." As of yet, the Drive Clean web site hasn't been updated to expand on this issue, other than quoting the Minister's comment above. However, my contact at the SVAO (Specialty Vehicle Association of Ontario) sent me the following: Bob....the following is a quote from Peter Campbell from the Drive Clean office. "In case you have not heard, yesterday the Minister of the Environment announced that kit cars ("kit" on the permit) will be exempt from Drive Clean starting January 1, 2002 (i.e, permit expires on or after that date). Note that emissions tests due this year on kit cars will still be on the books next year (i.e., a test will still be required) if owners choose to renew late. All other specialty vehicles are still in the program." When full details are available, I will update the Cobra Motorsports web site, with all applicable links to MoE information, Drive Clean details, and official Ontario Air Quality Regulations. Other Jurisdications, in both Canada and the United States It is virtually impossible for me to keep up with emission regulations and registering requirements in other jurisdictions, so I would suggest that, those of you located outside of Ontario, contact your local Motor Vehicle Licencing Bureau and/or state or provincial Department of Transport. 2/20/05 I
live in Ontario and have a kit car cobra
registered. You do not have
to have the clean air test done if it is registered as a "kit car". Kit
cars are exempt. But it has to be registered as a kit car. 2/20/05 As
Paul said, you cannot import a kit car into Canada as it does not meet
Federal standards such as crash tests, air bags, etc. If you decide to
purchase a kit made in the US, you absolutely must import it as car
parts, not a car. Check with the port of entry before hand and get all
of your ducks in a row first. I am talking Federal problems here, not
provincial. Bob Wheaton in Welland, Ontario knows how to do this as he
has imported several Factory Five kits. 2/20/05 There is a CC member from Texas moving to Canada. His Shelby continuation Cobra is for sale. He CANNOT import it to Canada, he looked into extensively. Their definition of "parts" is frame and motor minus ALL suspension, etc. BARE BONES. Apparently SPF does import some cars there, rumor has it as frame and body only and they are assembled in Canada. Excaliber Colorado DMV Link Mile High Cobra Club Information Page 1/04/07 Car hobbyists and related businesses scored another major victory when a version of SEMA-model legislation to create a titling and registration class for kit cars was signed into law. The new law, which goes into effect on July 1, 2010, includes the added benefit of exempting kit cars from Colorado?s emissions-inspection program. The law defines a ?kit vehicle? as a passenger-type motor vehicle assembled by someone other than a licensed manufacturer, from a manufactured kit that includes a prefabricated body and chassis and is accompanied by a manufacturer?s statement of origin. Connecticut DMV Link Composite Vehicle Requirements
In Connecticut, all kits must go through inspection at the main inspection station in Wethersfield. You cannot drive the car there - it must be trailered. The car is thoroughly checked for safety and, in addition, for the receipts for all the major parts. An Alabama registration will not absolve you from going through the same process. The up-side of this is that all Composite Vehicles are viewed as 1967 cars by the emissions people, no matter what engine is installed. Bob Putnam -ERA- In CT you pay the same registration whether its a 65 or 99. The Property tax people get you each year, the town collects it. They go by blue book value. No blue book on kit car i was told the tax assessor determined the car is worth $15,000.00 if i felt this was unreasonable i could dispute it and bring the car there for appraisal. Sounds good to me. You the first i heard trying to register with an AL title to save tax dollars. Every time i hear of the AL route its because they can't or don't want to get it inspected. The whole AL deal sounds shady and you don't know if its going to fly until you show up. It kinda of like try to cheat the IRS you never know who's going to be behind the counter and what mood they're in. I don't think there are many states that will gladly accept this AL route. Lloydinct It's fairly simple, but there are a few catches.....You will be tagging it as a 2005 ASVE (assembled vehichle), so there are a few things you will have to do.
RelazinRob 12/04/2005 OK, first you want to take the car through the Anti Theft Unit inspection. Since FFR doesn't put the serial number on the frame, you need this sticker. I asked if you can use an engraved identiplate, but they said you still need that sticker...so avoid the hassle and go thru the inspection! It is on different days at each inspection lane (check the DMV website to find the day for your lane). When you get there, they will ask for the MCO. They will then put your FFR number on a special sticker and attach it to the frame in an inconspicuous location. They'll give you a yellow form with all the particulars on it. Take the form and the MCO and drive thru the safety inspection lane. They will be looking for the following:
They
are supposed to
check the noise level of your side pipes too. 95 Db is the limit. (see
my
other posts about this!) Florida Replica Registration Form From:Miami
Shores, Fl. It turns out - emissions testing ended in Miami in July!!!!!! This brings me a step closer to a cobra replica - can't afford the real thing. From:Palm Beach
Gardens, FL USA Thomas, Ed's right on the 65 Cobra replica deal. You ought to do it that way so you never have to worry about emissions, even if our counties get back on the testing list. Inman FFR 1189K From:Miami
Shores, Fl. Inman, :-) Thanks - I will follow Ed's lead. All I have to do is first find my cobra. Up to now I was convinced the best thing to do was buy a used one - and then decide if the passion increases enough to build my own - or - should I just go to one of the turnkey consultant sites. I'd think it was great if a company offerred a two week train and build course - you go to the class and assist with building your kit - at the end - you drive off the lot! Hey - now there is a business plan! Ok - this is what I find out - doing searches on other sites. It apparently is pretty easy: Here is what I think I have to do - which according to Engineer Eds post on CobraForum - combined with information from ClubCobra brings me to: County Tax Collector Procedure TL-48.
By the way - all forms are available on line 82040 and 82042 on the florida dmv site at www.hsmv.state.fl.us - Use the search button and do a search for forms HSMV 82042 and HSMV 82040. I am attempting to get a scanned copy of Procedure TL-48. The procedure if Engineer ED provides it to me - will simply provide me with backup in the event I get an unknowing DMV agent who wants to push the "kit" title on me. Link to GA DOT registration form Tom Davis There are two words not to use while at the tag office; those words are, Kit Car. I went in with the invoice from F5, a T22B and proof of insurance. I just told the lady I needed to register this vehicle and gave her my paperwork. she then asked if I wanted the collector/ historic or a regular tag. Paid my $20 and walked out with tag and registration. Maybe try a different office if they have more than one in your county. It can be done jhennie, 05-25-2008 I have had similar experiences as Optimus did in registering two Cobras in the past year. Insurance, T-22 form $20 and about five minutes is all. Like Optimus said, your car is a 1965 AC Cobra. I never had a problem at all. I know five other guys in my area who have also registered with no isues what so ever. Things have improved! The latest DMV information for registration of kit cars. (3/05) Gerhardt
Gast (Cobra Make, Engine: FFR 5.0) This is a copy of the letter I sent FFR tonight. Mark, Dave, etc. This is to inform you that Hawaii hates Cobras. They have a reconstruction law here that will never, ever let a kit car of any make pass their safety inspection. I've been driving my FFR here for three years, and last week, after getting my fourth safety inspection, I got a call from the service station that initially passed my car informing me that I must surrender my safety inspection sticker. Apparently, some bean counter noticed that my VIN didn't have 17 digits, and therefore, they knew it was a kit car. Today, they came with police to my garage and confiscated my sticker, thus effectively grounding my car. I can't even sell it 'cause no one will buy it if it can't pass their reconstruction laws. I called the reconstruction department, and they told me that no kit car has, or ever will pass their safety inspection laws unless the manufacturer accepts all liability for the car's safety. Had my car been registered as a 1965, the car probably would have escaped detection, but nonetheless, it would still be technically illegal to drive. Strangely, this "reconstruction" law applies only to the island of Oahu, not Maui, Big Island or any of the other islands. Those islands have populations of less than 100,000, and therefore are exempt--that's just what the cops told me. Despite total outrage by my insurance company, there is no foreseeable hope of repealing this antiquated department. I have had it with Hawaii. I'm moving to the mainland, and shipping the car with me. Of course, it's not just the car that has prompted this decision, it's the high cost of living, the low wages, ridiculously high car insurance rates (three to four times mainland rates), and the stupid government that taxes at a higher rate than any other state. The price for living in paradise is too high for me. I just wanted to let you know this because, ironically, I met a guy today who said he just got your brochure, and I told him to forget it. You should tell your customers that if they plan to build a kit car on Oahu, they should change their plans, for no matter how it is titled, it will technically be illegal. The guy at the "reconstruction" department of the motor vehicle department told me that no kit car has ever passed inspection or ever will. He told me sympathetically that "rules is rules." He also noted several people who had spent small fortunes building kits here have had to send them to the mainland because they couldn't get the cars registered here. Gerhardt Gast FFR 1086 JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? Gary E Idaho. From the Illinois DMV: How to Apply for Title and Registration for a Custom Vehicle and Street RodIt's very easy. You choose between two procedures, Custom Vehicle and Street Rod. I'm also from Indiana... Although I'm no expert on this subject, the way I understand it is that you can title the cobra a few different ways...either as something like a 65 cobra, or a brand new 1999 car. The car will also be titled as a car that you assembled, or one you bought already assembled. As I said, I'm not really sure. There are however, several "people" that will title your car in a different state and then sort of "sell" it back to you, on so and so forth...This is a pretty touchy topic sometimes, and there is many posts regarding titling. Just use the search option. I think there are a few other FFR owners that currently live in IN if you want to ask them... I believe Jason Knepp does, however the other names escape me right now. All in all, I think the IN BMV doesn't mind if you title your car as a 65 Cobra (cheaper insurance, and you don't have to meet certain standards and requirements that a new car would...emmissions, etc.), or a new car. What they really are checking for is if your car is safe and roadworthy, and that they get their taxes (and there's relatively easy ways around that too if you want it bad enough). Maybe someone else can explain this better. Kyle posted November 11, 1999 08:42 PM This will probably be of little help, but here goes. I titled my Cobra in Indiana in 1996. It took six trips to the DMV to finally get it done, with the average trip lasting about an hour. The people at my local DMV had no idea of how to title it, so they would call Indianapolis and ask their supervisor. Then I would be given a list of things to bring back(Certificate of Origin, title of donor car, pictures of donor, list of parts used, notorized bills of sale, ect.) When I had these in hand I would go back, only to have them call Indianapolis again, talk to them and I would be given more things to do. It took about six weeks but I finally must have gotten the pity of the local DMV people and they processed it. They said it had to be the same year as the Certificate of Origin,ie. 1996. I just hope the DMV people in your area are more informed, or maybe just have more determination to do it themselves than the people in my DMV. Before you start the titleing process you may want to look at insurance, a whole other nightmare! I do not want to depress you, just wanted you to be forwarned and forearmed. Be Brave Be Patient.. Edward Tillema V-8 posted November 12, 1999 03:42 AM JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? Ford Man Indiana also titles as a 1965, took about ten minutes to register, and get plates. rom:Mooresville, IN USA LLoyd, in kansas there is no safety inspection. The only inspection required is to have the vin numbers checked to make sure it wasn't stolen from another state. The reason they don't want replicas registered as early 60s cars is because of greed. To tag a 1965 ford in my county costs about 20 bucks. But if you tag your replica as a 1999 (like they want you to do) it costs around 2-grand. Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I think 2thousand dollars can be spent on alot of more useful things than a G*@ @#$% license plate! That is why I wanted to use title unlimited in the first place. I didn't mind spending a couple of hundred bucks to get registration, but it did me no good at all. Like I said before, I have a dealers tag and can run with it as long as I want. So instead of paying a reasonable amount of property and sales taxes, they get nothing! Mark,"UNREAL" kind of answers all those questions asked at stoplights,huh? Another one I really liked (saw in a magazine ad) "8YURVET" Alain V. FFR1341 Kansas Alain, Were you able to get yours titled with what they (Titles Unlimited) sent you? David Nope, it was a joke. I live in Kansas and ended up having to title it as a 99. There are no smog laws here (yet) so that wasn't a problem. I wanted to title it as a 65 for property tax purposes, and if I ever sell it to anyone in a "smog law" state....Oh well Alain V. FFR1341 JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? wddp1724 Dont try to come to kansas and pull that 65 or 66 stuff on them, they start to use the word fraud, felony and other "bad" sounding words. Here your car is titled the year it is built, period. If you have one titled as a 65 or 66 and want to register it in kansas they will reassign you a vin and it will no longer be a mid 60's car. If you use tu all you did was waste your money and you have to pay sales tax from your mso. To tag my car for the first time cost 845 dollars although the next year will only be 160 dollars which isnt bad. If you buy a car not completed and it isnt your name on the mso it almost takes an act of congress to get it into your name. From: youngfg@yahoo.com (Gene Young) I built a FFR car this year. It is very easy to get a kit car registered in Kentucky. I took my Certificate of Origin to the courthouse with my proof of insurance statement. They handled it like a salvaged car, I had to sign a statement saying how much money I had in the car for the sales tax. They sent the paper work to the capitol and in two weeks later I could licesense the car. My car is titled as a 65 model. The only thing they inspected was that the VIN# on the car matched the VIN# on the paperwork, no equipment inspection, no emmission inspection, etc. tomas33 Re:Has anyone had the pleasure of registering in Louisiana? Any advise? Reply #1 on: February 28th, 2002
Reconstructed/Stored Vehicles Unit If you are in the Shreveport, Bossier area Trooper Buddy Merrit is the local Theft Unit commander (troop G). If you need to call BR Darlene at 225 925 6381 is very knowlegeable on kit cars. Hope this helps. Tomas Maine is much like Conn. I looked into Titles Unlimited but finally just registered it by Maine's rules. A State Trooper came to my house to check the car and all my paper work. Matched numbers up and then he placed the new vin on the car. He was really nice as he went over the car with me. He told me it was one of his fun jobs they get to do. All I had to do after that was a regular state Call the Motor Vehicle office and ask to speak with the division that handles special vehicles. They will send you a form to fill in with serial numbers, etc. Once you send that back in they will make an appointment for a Maine state Trooper to visit you when the car is semi assembled. In my case I did it when it was in the rolling chassis stage. This way he could see everything easily. OK keep every slip of paper for parts bought. The nice, (and I do mean nice!!) Maine State Trooper will eventually come by your house to inspect the car and give you a Maine State Vin number. He will do it after checking every major part on the car, engine transmission, rear end. He will look at the numbers and check to be sure they match to the recipts you have. He's, at least the one that came to my house, was a really nice guy. He wasn't trying to be difficult about it just being sure all parts matched. He'll then install a Vin plate on the frame. If you get that far your close to home free. Next step is taking all the papers to the local town office to pay your road tax! For that you show them the major purchases. At least that is what I did. We agreed on the total price from them and used that to pay the tax from. I did not take every slip for paint, bolts, drills, silicon, etc with me. Just the donor parts and all the receipts from FFR. And from there I headed home with my plates. Next stop is inspection.... For that I picked a place that I knew some of the guy's - PEP Boys in Lewiston. They zipped it right through the inspection process no problems there. ( I carried with me the missing front plate slip - seems I lost my new front plate as soon as I left the town office, mighty careless of me!! So I just had to go back to the town office and pay $5.00 for a replacement plate!) At PEP Boys sometimes they remember to ask me for the missing plate slip and sometimes they don't. So if you have to, use the PEP Boys in Lewiston as I have them all "primed" for dealing with Cobra's. I go back every year and sometimes when I'm in there for parts, they ask when I'll be back for my next inspection! So after all this mine is titled as a 1998 Factory Cobra. That's not my wording but the DMV's!! I have not had to deal with emissions and not sure what will happen with it. I'll deal with it later if it comes to Maine. From watching the posts of Mass guy's I think Maine's process is much simplier to get through. Ralph Button Shawn Whalen Many thanks Ralph! I like to know what I`m up against beforehand. It sounds straightfoward enough just takes some time(Life in the slow lane and all that) I may do the build this winter up in Stueben don`t blink or you will miss it) thanks again! shawn Shawn, My experience was a little different than Ralph's but was quite easy. I called the State and asked someone at DMV how to register the car. They transfered me to the correct department and they sent me a few forms to fill out. I returned the forms with $15 or $20 and received a title in just a few days (great service). I used the FFR serial number as my VIN and one of the State's finest did not come out to check the car. I mounted the VIN plate I had made myself. Next, I went to the town hall to pay the excise tax, and get plates. Once I had these I went for an alignment, and then an inspection. Hal You can get an exemtion from the DEM (department of environmental management). You're limited to 2k miles per year. I talked to the guy there to get the scoop. He says that his 63 split window Vette passes the requirements that this exemption puts you into. Jack ffr1846 JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? Rastor My title in michigan says 1965 cobra, Thanks TU! rjkacel From:Waterford, MIchigan This is what you have to do: 1) go to Secretary of State and get form TR54 2) get a police officer (any officer, I had a friend of a friend do mine) fill out the form that says it has the mandatory safety equipment. They require you to have windshield wipers, but if the police officer is cool, he will ignore this. 3) Take the completed TR54 form, along with the Bill of Sale and the Certificate of Manufacturer back to the Secretary of State. 4) They will enter your car into the system and assign you a VIN number. 5) Someone from the liscensing department will contact you, and either come to your house or will ask you to drive to the office to put the VIN sticker on. Takes from 4 - 8 weeks. You can buy temp plates after step 4, but no permanent plate. EASY! P.S. Just to warn you, they will want you to pay sales tax on the cost of the kit. And they will ask you to estimate the value of your Cobra (make it low, I said 15K) so they can figure out the cost of the plates. David Cleveland From: St.Johns, MI Yes I believe they (wipers) must be there and working. It's been a couple years now since I finished my car but if memory serves me, the wipers were on the inspection form. I'm curious about other peoples experiences with titling in Michigan though. When the County Sheriff came to inspect my car he simply asked me if the stuff worked. He didn't so much as ask me to turn on the headlights. I told him "yes, it all works", he signed the form and left. When I went to the State Police Post to get the VIN number installed, they were suppose to do another inspection but didn't that time either. Everything on my car worked correctly, I just found it odd that neither time did they do a thorough inspection. Oh about the noise, they all heard it run but didn't seem to concerned about that either. Step 1) obtain insurance Step2) arrive at dmv with proof of insurance, ffr certificate of origin, and original invoice Step3) keep nice friendly smile on face Step4) pay sales tax on original invoice Step5) walk out the door with new registration, license plate, and tab. (title will be in the mail) No inspection needed!! Larry Chris, From what I understand, you're going to have a lot more trouble without the proper paperwork than with emissions. I hope you've got a clear bill of sale with that motor! Send an email over to Richard Oben (DOUBLETRAP@aol.com) and ask him. Richard sells and assembles Factory Five Cobras in the Kansas City area and is very knowlegable about registering kit cars in Missouri. Another place to look is here in cyberspace. I found the following informative links on Missouri registration laws a bunch of months ago (I hope the links are still active): http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/c300-399/3010020.htm http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/c300-399/3010190.htm http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/c300-399/3010010.htm best of luck, petek http://www.tfs.net/~petek/cobra Since you live in missouri, as I do, this is by far the simplest way to go. All you have to do is get your paper work from Al., an inspection from an independent inspection station ( lights, signils,no cracked winshield or falling off exaust etc.) plus a non assesment from the personal property tax people. Going this way the car is not a rebuilt wreck nor a kit car that you have to take to the patrol to verifiy all seral no. and reciepts for everything. The girl at the lic. office shook her head and said something about the shody Al. paper work but as far as being legal it all went right thru. You will have to pay sales tax on what ever your conscience wants to tell them that you paid for the car. Remember, as far as any one is concerned this is not a FFR that you built, It is a complete car that you bought from some guy in Alabama. Don-t get your Al. papers too soon because you only have 30 days to get inspected and buy lic.or you will have to pay a late fee. This all sounds crooked and underhanded to me but it sure is easy. Todd Twillmann V-8 posted November 12, 1999 08:11 PM John, A 98 special const. car in MO has to pass the same emission tests as a 1978 passenger car. If you remember, 79 was the first year you had to have cats. We had no problems with inspection, except for the bumpers. Todd FFR 1388 Hank Dondero petek Woo-hoo!!! A major step towards completing my cobra is done: Highway Patrol inspection prior to assignment of VIN. A major big thanks to Richard Oben of North Cobras (http://northcobras.com) for his pointers concerning completing the state forms (and what receipts to have on hand, etc). Total time from the minute I started pulling the Cobra off of the trailer to the minute I finished putting the Cobra back on the trailer: 18 minutes! The Highway Patrol folks were a pleasure to deal with (I was expecting DMV types). I even asked the inspector if I could take her picture for my web site: Next up, pay the taxes, send in some forms and await the VIN and plates! Thanks again Richard!!! (b) Any person who is the registered owner of a custom vehicle may display a historical license plate from or representing the model year the body of the vehicle resembles, furnished by the person, in lieu of the current and valid Illinois street rod plates issued to the vehicle, provided that valid and current Illinois street rod plates and registration card issued to the vehicle are simultaneously carried within the vehicle and are available for inspection." I guess there are some car people in Springfield JerryH 1/04/07 SEMA-model legislation to create a vehicle registration classification for street rods and provide for special license plates for these vehicles was approved by the New Hampshire Senate. The bill was not considered by the full House before the legislature adjourned its 2006 session. The bill defines a street rod as an altered vehicle manufactured at least 25 years ago or built to resemble a vehicle at least 25 years old. The measure also allows kit cars and replica vehicles to be assigned certificates of title bearing the same model-year designations as the production vehicles they most closely resemble. SEMA is working with the sponsor to ensure that the bill will be reintroduced in 2007 Emissions Regulations for kit cars Details on new legislation (June 08) from SEMA Here in NJ, kit cars are considered a "Reconstructed Vehicle", titled according to year built and tested for emissions based on the year of the motor. UNLESS, of course, the car is purchased with a title stating that it is a 1965 replica, etc. Then the car is more or less "grandfathered" for the originating year. John This is a cut-and-paste from an e-mail from a New Mexico MVD Employee. Dated October 29 2003: Your email has been forwarded to me for response. Here is our procedures on reconstructed vehicles. If you have any other questions, you may call your local office, Vehicle Services in Santa Fe at 827-4636 or toll free 1-888-683-4636, or you can contact me at 505-827-0158 or email me. Thanks. Raul Alvarez SECTION N. RECONSTRUCTED, REBUILT, HOMEMADE, OR SHOP BUILT-VEHICLES Reconstructed, rebuilt, homemade or shop built vehicles may be titled, if the applicant has all the required documents and provided that the vehicle conforms to all vehicle equipment safety standards applicable to the particular vehicle being constructed. Documents Required 1. Manufacturer Certificate of Origin or Certificate of Title - Required only for the factory chassis of the vehicle. This does not apply when the chassis is "shop built" or homemade. 2. Invoices and Bills of Sale - Must be surrendered for all parts purchased to build and bring into compliance the "constructed or reconstructed" motor vehicle. 3. Affidavit of Constructed or Reconstructed Vehicle - MVD Form 10015, shall be completed and signed by the applicant attesting to the fact that the vehicle has been constructed or reconstructed from factory chassis, homemade chassis or "shop built" chassis. The affidavit also indicates whether vehicle was previously titled or registered in another state. 4. Vehicle Equipment Affirmation - MVD Form 10053, shall be completed and signed by the applicant. Review document to ensure applicant has checked off all equipment required for the type of vehicle being registered. Assembled vehicles must comply with federal standards for highway use (this is the owner's responsibility). If applicant tells you that some of the equipment is still missing or not working, DO NOT process the transaction. 5. Weight Certificate - Must be provided to accurately assess registration fees. 6. NCIC Clearance - Required on the factory chassis, the cab and the engine. 7. NM Assigned VIN - Must be affixed to the vehicle by Motor Vehicle Division employee, or certified LEI Law Enforcement Officer. If giving number to law officer, note name and badge number in remarks. When preparing to affix VIN plate to vehicle, if clerk can obviously see that the vehicle does not comply with vehicle equipment standards, do not attach VIN plate; instead VOID the transaction. · Factory-Made Chassis Determines Year Model - On vehicles that are reconstructed, the chassis (when the chassis, parts and equipment, including the frame, are standard factory equipment) will determine the year model of a vehicle. Enter VIN from the Title of the chassis as the primary number and "NM"-prefix VIN is used as a secondary VIN number. The vehicle must be identified as "REBUILT" in the "brand" field, and the Title and the division copy (Title Application) are branded "REBUILT". · Shop-Built Chassis Determines Year Model - When the vehicle is built from scrap metal, "shop-built" parts, or parts from other vehicles, but the chassis and/or body is shop-built, the year in which the vehicle is built will determine the year model. The vehicle make will be "HOMEMADE", and the constructed vehicle must comply with all current safety requirements for highway operation. Assign a "NM"-prefix VIN as the primary VIN number. Fees Normal fees apply. The excise tax will be based on the purchase price of the partially dismantled vehicle, other parts purchased, plus labor involved in rebuilding the vehicle.
A vehicle may be titled after reconstruction from a "GLIDER". "Glider" means the front axle, frame rail, sleeper, cab and chassis of a large ("semi") truck. It has everything except engine, transmission and rear axles. Titles issued to reconstructed vehicles from a "Glider" will show the year model and make that are shown on the MCO of the "Glider". Documents Required 1. Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin - With assignment completed to the applicant. 2. Manufacturer or Dealer Invoice - Must be an original or certified copy and contain complete description of the "Glider" including the Vehicle Identification Number and indicate the sales price. 3. Affidavit of Constructed or Reconstructed Vehicle - MVD Form 10015, shall be completed and signed by the applicant attesting to the fact that the vehicle has been constructed or reconstructed from factory chassis, homemade chassis or "shop-built" chassis. The affidavit also indicates whether vehicle was previously titled or registered in another state. 4. Vehicle Equipment Affirmation - MVD Form 10053, shall be completed and signed by the applicant. Review document to ensure applicant has checked off all equipment required for the type of vehicle being registered.
5. Weight Certificate - Must be provided to accurately assess registration fees.
Documents Required 1. Certificate of Title - The current Title for the existing chassis. 2. Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin for Kit - Must have assignment properly completed to the applicant. 3. Invoice - Must be the original or a certified copy, indicating the identifying number(s), purchaser's name and the sales price of the kit. 4. Affidavit of Constructed or Reconstructed Vehicle - MVD Form 10015, shall be completed and signed by the applicant attesting to the fact that the vehicle has been constructed using a factory chassis, homemade chassis or "shop-built" chassis and a kit. 5. Vehicle Equipment Affirmation - MVD Form 10053, shall be completed and signed by the applicant. Review document to ensure applicant has checked off all equipment required for the type of vehicle being registered. Vehicles must comply with federal standards for highway use (this is the owner's responsibility). If applicant tells you that some of the equipment is still missing or not working, DO NOT process the transaction. If the vehicle is an older model vehicle or a replica of one, which at the time of manufacturer did not require equipment mandatory now, the Motor Vehicle Division will not issue a Title until the vehicle conforms to the federal standards. 6. Weight Certificate - Must be provided to accurately assess registration fees. 7. VIN Inspection - Must be conducted by a Certified VIN Inspector. 8. NM Assigned VIN - The NM assigned number will be the secondary number when vehicle is built from a factory chassis, the factory chassis will be the primary number. If vehicle built has a homemade or shop built chassis the NM assigned VIN shall be the primary VIN. A Motor Vehicle Division employee or certified LEI Law Enforcement Officer must affix the NM assigned Vin to the vehicle. If giving number to law officer, note name and badge number in remarks. When affixing VIN plate to vehicle, if clerk can obviously see that the vehicle does not comply with vehicle equipment standards, do not attach VIN plate; instead VOID the transaction.
New York DMV Link NY DMV Register a unique or homemade vehicle Kit gets registered the Year you complete the Built and must meet Current Safety Standards. Emissions Standards are dictated by Model Year of the Motor. http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/register.htm#homemade Or call and ask them to send you out the Information Package. Technical Services Bureau This'll get you started. Capt Al Model year of the motor? Since this is a generic 302 block that has been built up for this car, how do you figure the year? I am not using a donor engine but a crate motor. CaptAl The NYS DMV will ask for a Bill of Sale for your Motor. It will have its own Vin # which will indicate the Year it was Manufactured. You may want to consider a Seasoned rebuilt 302 /351w Short Block from 69 -75 to beat the Emissions Fiasco. Here's some more info. The following pollution control devices are examined if the vehicle was originally manufactured with them. The vehicle model years affected are indicated.
Faststang You will also need a third brake light, backup light , defroster, DOT approved lenses. NY hasn't jumped on the padded dash requirement. I would put some padding under your dash just in case. To beat the emissions you will HAVE to have a pre 1973 engine. If you put in a donor motor you will need the cats and have to pass emissions. Not all of NY requires emissions testing, but you will probably still have to pass it. Hope this helps. Sach 1477 2/03 Here
is text of SB 615: 5/08/05 IF
you
follow the NC code, you must the register the vehicle as a "CUSTOM" in
the year completed (for you, 2005). Lilnuke Lynn Larsen posted May 31, 2002 08:23 If Ron Earp were with me right now, I'd kiss him. Thanks to him and, I'm sure, a bunch of Cobra guys who were getting smacked by DMV here in NC, we have just received an offical memo from the DMV that they will no longer enforce emissions standards on kitcars as of July 1, 2002. What a victory for motorsports enthusiasts in North Carolina! I'd be happier with a law, but this vitually carries the force of law, so I'll take it!!! The official document! (PDF format) Lynn JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? mike moen North Dakota will. Took all of 10 minutes, $600
bucks. Walked away with
plates, nothing more
not even safety inspections. From: fargo, ND Ohio Emissions Policy for kit cars The Alabama title will not be accepted anywhere in Ohio. If you live in Ohio, relax about the registration process. I passed inspection two weeks ago and all my fret was for nothing. I drove my car from Toledo to Findlay (50 miles) where the Highway Patrol does the inspection. I had to remove the sidepipes in order to get the car on the lift, but they were real nice and let me use their tools. I was told to wait in the office while the technician did his job. 20 minutes later, he was done. The entire inspection consisted of checking the serial # on the motor and tranny. That's it! I have no wipers or turn signals. Never checked the lights, emissions, or anything else. He actually never found the motor # and the tranny was out of a different car so it didn't match either. No problem. Their only goal is to make sure nothing is stolen, and apparently if he can't find a serial #, he has the option of trusting me. He called today and my engraved vin plate is ready to be installed, which they have to do in Findlay. Total cost: $50 and two trip's worth of gas. I had considered using an expensive out of state title co, but I'm glad I went through the state and did it right. Chris Perry Jim
G A lurker no more. Finally registered. OK so its easy in OH to get the paperwork approved and the car titled. How about the difficult task of passing emission testing requirements like we need to do in Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, etc. Is it possible to build a potatoe or does everything need to be EFI complete with Catalytic Converters. Double Venom told me its possible to register the car as a Collector Vehicle and then it possibly is exempt from pollution requirements. I think with a Collector Vehicle in OH you're limited to driving <3k miles per year. DV told me that technically the Cobra must be registered as a 2001 Composite Vehicle. I'm nor sure what that means in terms of keeping it legal. At the same time, I'm not crazy about having some 16 year old high school dropout at the emission testing place running my potential beast wide open on the rollers. How about some ideas and what other OH FFR owners have done. Jim G Jeff
Hamilton Depending on where you have your car inspected will depend on how the inspection will go. It is set up to work like Chris said but some places feel they have more power to do what they want. Some places tell you that wipers,back up lamps,ect. are a must. The state inspection is looking for stolen parts and nothing more. If you used a donor and have the title in your name things go easier. It is my understanding that if you use a older motor you won't have to have it e-checked. I'm not in a part of the state that has to do this but I was told to use a 1960's or early 1970's block and then you don't have to worry about e-check. Jeff Hamilton From: davidrn@nls.net (David A. Zychowski) I too was told that if you use an older block, you are not required to do e-check here in Ohio. I was also told, that you CAN title the car as a 1965 Cobra replica. Even though it was built in 2001, it still is a 1965. I would go to the top supervisor at the DMV for that info. The block vin is put on your final vin plate that goes on the car. On it is the engine letter or number. They only go back 25 years! so a 1975 or earlier block would work!!! I was told all this by several sources. David A. Zychowski RN posted July 10, 2002 02:22 PM Oklahoma, NO state inspection required. If the MSO says 1965, that's what it's titled as. Tifford JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? Advil Oregon as well. You just tell them what year the car is a replica from, 1965, and you have to meet the requirements of that year. That means NONE. No trips to DEQ, ever. Yahoo! From:Portland, OR USA |
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Latest Information from PAVehicle News Fact sheet: Reconstructed, Specially Constructed and Modified Vehicles PA Enhanced Vehicle Inspection Reference Guide 4/1406 JBCOBRA You
need to complete an mv426. Find a savy tag dealer. If you live in the
610area code, call Best Auto Tags in Frazier PA. Ask for Megan. She is
super smart and hooked me up!
JB  3/2/02 Been getting a few E-mails on this subject. Here's some staight answers. What you will need is booklet MV-426 (02-01), you can get it at your state assemblyman's office or notary or messenger sevice. It's 8 pages of forms and instructions.If you kept all your recipts and used good parts(No crap off a donor that are already worn out) it'll be a cake walk. You will need heatshields on the sidepipes unless your inspection mechanic wants to lose his badge. Quote,"Exhaust,Note,has catalitic converter,as OEM designed for make and model of vehicle. Exposed system has heat shield." Cobras didn't have cats, as OEM, so that statement should eliminate them. Here's the part where the kit mfgs should be on the ball, again quote"Engine,Note: Must have emission controls based on OEM's chassis model year". If the kit mfg put 1965 on the 'chassis model year" ,you ain't gonna need nothing but a PVC valve. Now them 2 quotes are subject to interpritation ,but thats the way I see it. mr bruce JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? MCathcart SC was still doing them as 1965's. Here in SC you do not have to pay sales tax from one relative to another. Big deal on Sales Tax, it a 1965 car. $1,200.00 sounds a little high for an old '65 junker anyway. Mike I
registered in the Farragut office. I had no
troubles. They want a
picture of the car so that they can see it is complete, a copy of the
paperwork Statement of Origin from Factory Five, and receipts to prove
what you paid for big ticket items like the motor and kit and what you
have already paid in taxes. Mine was titled here in Chattanooga. I took the Statement of Origin and the the FFR shipping invoice and that's all I paid taxes on. They didn't ask any question and I didn't offer any more details. I was sweating it, but it was a breeze. five, i live outside of Nashville, TN and checked with our state DMV. they said, keep recipts from all parts, if used parts recipts need VIN numbers on them, take pictures of kit and parts before-during-after completion, call DMV and they will send an inspector, them will look at car,take recipts, take certificate of origin for the kit and then get you a title. the lady i talked to said if the cerficate said "1965 Cobra Replica" then the car would probably be titled as a 1965 in this state. I hope so. my insurance company said they would insure the kit in my garage during construction for $6 per month. hope this helps. bill allen JasonD Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? It appears that the car will be registered as a 1965 Cobra, so no emissions worries. This is per Ann Watkins at 615-741-3101 (ext.222). Need the Certificate or Origin FFR sends you, receipts for the parts and fill out Form SF-0973. She said don't fill out Form SF-1130, that is for salvage titles. Also said if any troubles call her office. Then after all is build and paperwork is done Get in touch with a Mr. Taylor at 615-862-6050 (ext.108). I don't know if he is the inspector or the person that "gives" out the titles. I will update this as I start (or finish) my build, I was just doing initial checking before I took delivery of the kit. Oh, don't call and make anyone mad until I finish my car. [Big Grin] John I recently had a Cobra Replica, built 1994, registered as a 1966 Cobr in Texas and it only needed to be safety inspected. Now I have a Superformance Cobra (Built 1996) SVO crate motor, still just safety inspected. The key, go to a car dealer vs. the state inspection centers. Most car dealers do the state inspection and their opinions are it is a replica of a 60s vehicle and no emissions just safety sticker. Also agree it's those vettes and vipers put all the crap in the air, the cobras are to slick!!!!!!!!!! I had no problem registering or inspecting my Cobra. While it is registered as a 1999 Johnex Cobra, the bill of sale clearly states that a 1966 engine is used. This seemed to satisfy the registration and inspection folks. Inspection was no problem. They did not even start it up. <To: eracars@aol.com> The two Texas examples are correct to a degree. If the vehicle has a certificate of origin it can be titled as a kit car (if it came with no engine). All that is needed is a weight certificate, state inspection sticker, proof of insurance, the title from the producer (c.o.o.), and bill of sale for components used. (engine and trans). If no certificate of origin is available (no vin number) then a trip to the Texas D.O.T. will have to take place and a police officer will have to inspect and approve it, then a vin # will be assigned and stamped on the body or chassis and the above steps can then be done. If there is a vin number but no certificate of origin a pencil tracing of the vin number must be presented. Some counties require emission testing and the ones that don't require the emission components that came with the engine be in place. If a Certificate of origin can be had by all means do it. If you can eliminate the trip to the Texas D.O.T it will shorten the process tremendously. I made three trips to the license place and one to the Texas DOT to straighten all this out. These rules can be bent to various degrees and it will depend on who helps you in the local license office as to how much you can get away with. It could come back to bite you in the future. One thing to concider: A kit with no engine assembled as a kit car requires no sales tax be paid. A complete kit or car would require sales tax be paid. Sales tax on a 25k kit would be 1700.00. cobra2@airmail.net (Tom Johnson) JasonD FFR#2711 Curiosity question, and perhaps ulterior motive??? What states have owners been able to title and register their replicas as 1965 or 66 without circumventing the process a little bit? It seems most states want to register as whatever year you assemble the car. Thanks. stuck Texas will! -------------------- Jason D 11/20/2007 Registration/Titling: http://dmv.utah.gov/rebuiltkit.html http://dmv.utah.gov/rebuiltspeciallyconstructed.html But Utah emissions states. Rich A
Here's my story. I had my 1998 Can Am re-titled as a 1967 with BOS from New Hampshire. I went to WSP inspection station following guidelines for registering a car from out of state (per Tag Agent). When the VIN specialist saw me in line, he came back to see what I had. He looked at the paperwork, then quickly at the car. He stated that the car was an obvious replicar, and much newer than 1967. As such, I was told that I would have to make an appointment for a special inspection which would take about 30 minutes. I've been trying for a month to get an appointment, but they are booked due to closure of some VIN inspection stations. This inspection will be used to determine what year the car will be registered as. This is to assure that WA state can get as much revenue for the car tags as possible. For verifiable 30 year+ old vehicles, they offer a one-time vintage tag fee of $40 with some use limitations. You would be well advised to obtain the MSO or whatever would show the actual year of the EM kit. This is what they will use to determine the year of manufacture. Otherwise, they'll likley come up with as new a year as possible. As for emmisions, depending upon the year of the car they establish, you will likely have to have the emmisions test. If you fail, you can eventually obtain a waiver if you produce receipts of $100 or more from an authorized/recognized garage spent to meet the emmisions requirement without success. Its a nightmare here in the land of rules and regulations. And be sure that the Tag Agencies don't really know the rules that well. You can buy a Ferry Permit for $3 to get the the to the WSP inspection station. Or, you can buy up to three 3 day permits per month for $12.50 each. That's what I am doing right now. You will also have to pay sales tax of 8.6% against the purchase amount of the car. So your BOS will be used to determine that amount. You can reduce that by having a BOS for some amount less, but be careful, as they watch for significant inconsistancies in the value. I hope you have better luck than I have had. I would like to know how it goes for you, so please consider keeping me posted. Zderf posted October 27, 1999 01:29 PM Subj: Washington
State
Inspection requirements
for GT40 From: cliffh@microsoft.com (Clifford Hudson) 11/29/99 Michael
C Henry This is right out of 98 WA DMV Code pg 972 46.16.680 KIT VEHICLES All kit vehicles are licensed as original transactions when first titled in Washington, and the following provisions apply: (1) The department of licensing shall charge original licensing fees and issue new plates appropriate to the use class. (2)An inspection by the Washington state patrol is required to determine the correct identification number, and year or make if needed. (3)The use class is the actual use of the vehicle,i.e. passenger car or truck. (4) The make shall be listed as "KITV",and the series and body designation must describe what the vehicle looks like, i.e. 48 Bradley GT, 57 MG, and must include the word "replica". (5) Upon payment of original licensing fees the department may license a kit under RCW 46.16.305(1)as a street rod if the vehicle is manufactured to have the same appearance as a simular vehicle manufactured befoe 1949. (6) For a manufactured new vehicle kit and a manufactured body kit, the modle year of the vehicle is the year reflected on the manufacturers certificate of orign for that vehicle,if it is not available, the Washington state patrol shall assign a modle year at the time of inspection. (7)The vehicle identification number (VIN) of a new vehicle kit and body kit is the vehicle identification number as reflected on the manufacture's certificate of orign. If the VIN is not available, the Washington state patrol shall assign a VIN at the time of inspection.[1996 c 225 :10.] So since 98 it will be the year of manufacture ,You guys that got in before 98and had your replica called 65 replica WAY TO GO> Mike Henry Tacoma WA(edited 02-02-2000).] 46.12.440. KIT VEHICLES-- Application for certificate of ownership. The following procedures must be followed ehen applying for a certificate of ownership for a kit vehicle: (1)The vehicle identification number (VIN) of a new kit and a body kit will be taken from the manufacture's certificate of orign belonging to that vehicle. If the VIN is not availble,the Washington state patrol shall assign a VIN at the time of inspection. (2)The modle year of manufactured new vehicle kit and manufactured body kit is the year reflected on themanufacter's certificate of orign. (3)The make shall be listed as "KITV", and theseries and body designation must describe what the vehicle looks like.i.e. Bradley GT, 57 MG, and must include the word "relpica". (4)Except for kit vehicle4s licensed under RCW 46.16.680(5), kit vehicles must comply with chapter 204-90 WAC. (5) The application for the certificate of ownership mist be accompamied by the following documents: (A)For a manufactured new vehicle kit, the manufacture's certificate of orign or equivalent document; (b)(i)For a manufactured body kit, the manufacturer's certificate of orign or equivlant document;(ii) fot the frame, the title or a certified copy or equivlent document; (c) Bills of sale or invioces for all major components used in the construction of the vehicle.The bills of sale must be notarized unless the vender is regestered with the deoartment of revenue for the collectiov of retail sales or use tax. The bills of sale must include the names and addresses of the seller and purchaser, a descreption of the vehicle or part being sold,including the make, model,and identification or serial number, the date of sale, and the purchase price of the vehicle or part; (d)A statementas defined in WAC 308-56A-150 by an authorized inspector of the Washington state patrol or person authorized by the department of licensing verifing the vehicle identification nimber , and year and make when applicable; (e)A completeeed declaretion of value form(TD 420-737) to determine the value for excise tax if purchased cost and year is unknown or incomplete. (6) A @Wasington state patrol VIN inspector must ensure that all parts are documented by titles, notarized bills of sale, or business receipts such as obtained from a wrecking yard purchasedd. The bills of sale must contain the VIN of vehicle the parts came from, or the yard number if a wrecking yard.[1996 c 225& 8] 46.12.450. KIT vehicles-- Issuance of certificate of ownership or regestration. The following documents are required for issuance of a certificate of ownership or regestration for a kit vehicle: (1)For a newvehicle kit or manufactured body kit, the owner shall supply a manufacture's certificate of orign or a factory invioce. (2) For a manufactured body kit, proff of ownership ,for all major parts used in the construction of thr vehicle is required.(a)Major parts include; (i) Frame; (ii) Engine; (iii) axles; (iv) Tansmission; (v) Any other parts that carry vehicle identification numbers. (b) If the frame from a donor vehicle is used and the remainder of the vehicle is to be sold or destroyed, the title is required as an ownership document to the buyer. The agent or subagent may make a certified copy of the title for documentation of the frame for this transaction. (3) Payment of use tax on all component parts used is required,unless prof of payment of the sales or use tax is submitted. (4) A completed declaration of value form (TD 420-737) to determine the value of the vehicle for excise tax purposes is required if the purchase cost and year of purchase is unknown. (5) An odometer discloser statement is required on all orignals and transfers of title for vehicles under ten years old, unless otherwise exempted by law.[1996 c 225 & 9] Copy, pick it appart what ever, That is what it says. Metro Seattle and south sound stuff the probe up your pipe. If your model registration date is within 5 years of the current date you are exempt. Model years older than 1969 are exempt altogether. Two options, reg as older than 1969 (if you are lucky) or test, fail, and then get an exemption from the state. (Highly likely) The state does accomodate these types of situations. I believe all state patrol inspections for cars entering the state are no longer required in an effort to keep the state budget down. I didn't read the post well. For a built car, they had an inspection to see if it was stolen. It may be gone no, but it was no big deal if you had not stolen the car. Emissions, go to http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/air/emis-1.html -------------------- Brian Moore 11/18/02 Please update your info on Washington state...there now is NO inspection of the car, (of any kind) and the BOS will determine year stated on the paperwork...I will give an update on my experience as I register my new car...from what I have heard it is: Just provide the BOS and pay sales tax, and play... you will of course have to pass emissions (at some point ) if you live in Tacoma or Seattle, there are none where I live...or in most of the state.. Back in Black I'm from the Portland area. When I registered mine, all I needed was the cirtificate of origin. Mine didn't have a year either. I had receipts for the engine showing it to be a 1965. The guy was ok to deal with except he hit a wrong key and it wound up being titled as a 1967. The title showed "1967 SHEB RD" and under comments, it said, "replica" It was really easy. Especially since the car was in pieces and wasn't there for him to see. I got the "A SNAKE" plate for it at the same time. I'd suggest going to one of the smaller towns outside of the Portland area. Not because of DEQ, but they seem to be easier to work with. Probably because they don't get as many people. Al Washington, DC DMV Link Web site for Wisconsin registration procedure 1/06 "Wisconsin is pretty easy! Just send in you paper work. Pay registration and sales tax on anything you bought out of state. Apply for Hobbiest Plates and wait by your mailbox for your title and plates. Everything all in one envelope! No inspection and no hassles! Jim" Title and Registration « on: February 14th, 2002, 12:26:20 pm I'm about ready to start the process of Title and Registration in the state of Wisconsin. I went to the WI DMV and found out about the HOBBYIST plate According to the documentation, a hobbyist car can be:
Further it says that a REPLICA can be a KIT Car.
Question to Badger guys is: What did you do? Am I stuck with the hobbyist plate or can I title and register under a different cover and be able to get any plate I want? Thanks, Jose Borja 10/05 You can obtain a Wisconsin certificate of title for a kit car or replica "Wyoming wasn't bad, MSO and bill of sale was all that I needed." |
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quotes from ClubCobra responding to the question "What's the easiest
state to register a kit."Alabama: "You have to mail in a application with, bill of sale for kit, motor and / or trannie, MSO and a couple of dollars ( $25 or something like that ) sit back and wait on the local state trooper who does the inspections. He will call and ask direction to where your car is. He will look at the motor number and always ask about the trannie number. He does have a State of Ala vin tag which he will install unless you insist on doing it yourself. The title will say assembled car and is titled the year you apply for title. Not 1965 unless you have a frame or old vin number. I think they have stopped most of the 1965 stuff. They do not check for anything but stolen parts. Very easy." |